ID a Green Label Mali Sneaky Pete

10/21/2018 3:41:33 PM

ID a Green Label Mali Sneaky Pete

Need some help with a Mali pool cue ID.

Below is a green-label Mali cue. I think it is a sneaky pete Mali. Any info on the cue you can provide would be helpful.

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ID a Green Label Mali Sneaky Pete

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Chopdoc on 10/25/2018 7:39:30 AM
It's not a Sneaky Pete. It's a Merry Widow.

Looks like model M-2 or M-3, early to mid 1980's I guess.

billiardsforum on 10/25/2018 4:51:04 PM
Yup. We identified a Mali M-1 cue earlier this year from the same series.

I'd say this cue is the Mali M-3 cue based on your brochure page. From what I can see, the Mali M-2 on that page has a double black ring above the logo (the brochure confirms that in the description as well), and the cue in question doesn't have that.

And now that I checked my Mali cue archives, I have a different "M-Series" brochure that doesn't have that same double-ring. Different editions I suspect.

Based on this catalog page below, it could be a Mali M-2 cue. It is hard to judge without seeing the cue in person. Photographs can distort stain colors and other things so much.

I am not sure how to tell one edition from the other. @chopdoc - any experience on that?

Chopdoc on 10/25/2018 6:10:34 PM
The order is roughly this:

Mali River sticker on forearm. 60's/70's Sideways logo in a rectangle. mid to later 70's Logo in rectangle as above posted brochure. late 70's Green logo with no rectangle. early to mid 80's Gold and silver logo. Mid to late eighties and later.

That's off the top of my head. I may have more specific notes somewhere.

Slight variations as you pointed out on the M-2 are hard to trace, and this is true for many production cues. That's why I said M-2 or M-3. I think more likely the posted cue is M-3, but it is possible it is an M-2.

Models spanned numerous years, and decades in the case of some makers, as I have shown in other posts with, for example, Gandy cues.

There are such examples from numerous makers such as Joss and Adam. Early and late variations...and other slight variations that are hard to explain. Such early/later variations are well known in Schon cues, with the earlier ones attracting substantially more interest.

I have even spotted such variations in the Mizerak Pro cues and Cobra Pro cues as well. Slight variations in the points and rings.

You can also find Palmer models that were made many years after they were first introduced and minor variations in design and materials can help identify the era in which they were made.

Most often such variant details are not evident or noted in catalogs and marketing materials and understanding them is simply a matter of familiarity and research. People who do extensive research in a brand or model line know such things.

My best guess in the case of the posted cue is an early 80's M-3.

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billiardsforum on 10/25/2018 6:53:53 PM
Thanks!

Now that I am looking closer, it's not from the brochure I posted. That has a green border around the Mali logo. The cue in question doesn't.

Guess that might make it a Mali M-3 from the brochure from @Chopdoc.

user1540136493 on 10/25/2018 8:51:00 PM
Thank you both! This is more info than I could have asked for.

What years would these have been made/sold?

Chopdoc on 10/25/2018 8:59:50 PM
Early 80's. Maybe 81/82 off the top of my head.

It will not matter too much for value. The real value differences are realized in the higher end cues from a particular line of models with the earlier ones claiming higher values for the earlier versions generally.

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ID a Green Label Mali Sneaky Pete

Title: ID a Green Label Mali Sneaky Pete
Author: user1540136493
Published: 10/21/2018 3:41:33 PM
Last Updated: 10/25/2018 3:59:58 AM
Last Updated By: billiardsforum (Billiards Forum)