Open table on the break
6/30/2008 12:21:31 PM
Open table on the break
If I break and make a stripe. Do I have to stay with stripes or is the table still "open" and I am allowed to shoot at any ball until I miss or declare what group (stripes or solids) I am taking?
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Open table on the break
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Fenwick on 6/30/2008 3:46:02 PM
"It is also worth noting that the table is always open immediately after the opening break shot." 8 Ball Open Table Rule
quickshot on 6/30/2008 3:57:33 PMIf you break and make a stripe you have to shoot the stripes. The only way the table stays open is if you scratch on the break. Then your opponent has choice but he must shoot from the kitchen.
- quickshot on 6/30/2008 4:14:25 PM
Addendum to previous post:
It is said that the table is "open" when the choice of groups (stripes or solids, highs or lows) has not yet been determined. During this period where the table is considered open, it is legal for the shooting player to execute a combination shot where they strike one group's object ball first and cause it to hit and pocket an object all from the opposite group.The key here is "has not yet been determined." You had sunk the striped ball, and that determines whether a table is open or not. It is not.
OldShooter on 6/30/2008 4:15:17 PM
It would really depend on the rules of the governing organization. Locally we play APA which says that you would have stripes. If you play BCA or TAP the table is open until the first 'called' ball is made as they play call pocket. Most bar room players play that you would have stripes.
OldShooter
Are APA rules posted on this site? If they are I missed them. Are we talking Bar Rules? That reply was a quote from the BCA rules from right here. If I had my druthers all 8 and 9 ball rules would be standard there in lies the problem. When playing in a bar I avoid 8 ball or any pool game like it was the plague if I don't know the people I'm playing. Having said that I may hit the local pub and see what rules are in vogue tonight. I'm not dissing the game but the confusion on rules. Examples would be jump shots and the Masse shot. In or ou?. And as Old Shooter pointed out you can curve a ball without making a Masse per say but you need a ref. to decipher if the shot was legit. On the rules listed here the 8 ball is neutral making the first ball if in fact I read them correctly? Try that one in the bars for 5 bucks a rack. And again they, the BCA say you can use a solid to pocket the first stripe ball on a open table. When I do play 8 ball the table is always open even if you pocket 6 balls of one group? What is the rule if you pocket all 7 I wonder? I'll defer to the experts on future questions regarding 8 and or 9 ball.
- quickshot on 6/30/2008 6:00:08 PM
Here we are back to the "old chestnut". A total lack of unified rules to govern the sport. Not only do we have the APA, BCA, TAP, WPA and a host of others, but every bar also has its own rules. As it has been mentioned on this site any times before, determine the rules before the first rack.
Back to guests question, it depends would be the definitive answer. I think one needs a Enigma machine to decode the rules today!
To quote @billiardsforum on the subject:
"Rules should not be such a mystery. We've come a long way in the past, say, 20 years, but there is much ground to be made up in order to consolidate and clarify the fragmented sets of "standardized rules" out there.."
blackmantis24 on 7/1/2008 12:08:14 AMTherein lies the problem. Every pool tournament and pool league has its own set of rules. As I am aware, in the APA and in the BCA, after the opining break and any object ball is pocketed the inning continues. Then said player has the opportunity to choose the ball group he or she would like to shoot.
Open table on the break
- Title: Open table on the break
- Author: guest
- Published: 6/30/2008 12:21:31 PM
