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8 Ball Rules and Shooting out of the Kitchen No Balls Left

6/13/2009 6:04:56 AM

8 Ball Rules and Shooting out of the Kitchen No Balls Left

In classic "bar rules" or "straight 8" 8 ball rules, when your opponent scratches you have to take your shot from the kitchen.

Now what if your only object ball is within the kitchen? I'm told you have to try and shoot it out and bounce it back in, but sometimes this is tremendously difficult. What if I just shot a ball from within the kitchen? Would I lose the game or is it just a free shot for my opponent?

It seems that in certain situations it would be better just to take the penalty.

This question relates to the following billiard rules:

8 Ball Rules and Shooting out of the Kitchen No Balls Left

Replies & Comments
  1. guestquickshot on 6/13/2009 9:47:39 AM

    I didn't know there are "classic" rules. I thought every bar had its own rules. In reference to your question, which I think is a good one, three things can happen: do not take a penalty. Take the shot which will be a kick shot. You may get lucky and sink the eight ball. If not if you hit the eight it may scramble and end up giving your opponent a difficult shot he may miss giving you another shot. Do not give up the CB unless there is no other choice.

    I'm sure you will get other thoughts on the subject.

  2. guestMitch Alsup on 6/13/2009 11:48:32 AM

    Ball in Kitchen scratch rules are a little funny to the player with ball in kitchen; especially so when your only legal balls are already in the kitchen.

    You can:

    1. Do a 2 table length kick shot off the end rail. This is the standard way the average shooter should learn to shoot. Sooner or later you have to come to grips with kick shots, might as well start early. Shoot 50 of these every day for a week, and you will not worry about the kitchen any longer.
    2. Do a high spin bank off the near rail. This is helpful when the object ball is close to a pocket and you have good control of spin and energy. Once you can draw the cue ball back 5 feet, you have all the capabilities needed to spin the ball off the rail just outside the kitchen and bring is back towards a corner pocket. The trick is to use almost as much side spin as possible and simultaneously use a little draw so that the bite on the near rail is more forceful and brings the CB back at a steeper angle. Almost the same stroke as used in a gentle massé (i.e. curve).
    3. Massé up past the kitchen string and back onto your ball without using a rail. This is for TV trick-shot artists, and while I can occasionally pull one off, I generally don't bother to try.
  3. guestguest on 6/13/2009 6:34:32 PM

    But what happens if you DO shoot a ball in the kitchen without going out? Do you loose or is it just a penalty?

  4. guestquickshot on 6/14/2009 8:35:51 AM

    Your opponent gets ball in hand because it is not a legal shot.

  5. guestMitch Alsup on 6/14/2009 1:35:58 PM

    Technically its a table scratch. In ball in kitchen rules, generally, this simply results in another ball in kitchen. However, there are rules where the opponent plays the CB as it lies, and other rules where the opponent has the option of ball in kitchen or as it lies.

    I, personally, have never run into a set of rules playing ball in kitchen where a table scratch from a ball in kitchen position resulted in ball in hand.

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8 Ball Rules and Shooting out of the Kitchen No Balls Left

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