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14.1 Continuous Rules Question

3/24/2008 6:14:47 PM

14.1 Continuous Rules Question

Can you please clarify the following with regards to 14.1 continuous pool rules?

Deliberate fouls

  • Player 1 fouls leaving cue ball in jaws of one of corner pockets near head string. Player two jabs cue ball into facing leaving cue ball frozen against interior pocket facing. This type of play - a jab- consists of maintaining cue tip on cue ball unto ball is frozen to rail. An evil play that needs a ruling. It also can be done when close to a cushion. What is your ruling?

What is ruling for frozen balls? Push shot?

  • Situation from Mosconi vs. Balsis match from 1966?
  • Can cue ball travel same length speed as object ball?
  • Do you or can you strike cue ball full force in different direction than the lineup of the two balls?

Double hits

  • Do you ask opponent if he double hit the cue ball?
  • Is golf etiquette employed where offender is to call foul on himself?

Safeties when object ball within one ball of rail

  • How many times can you play object ball into rail without cue ball hitting rail?
  • If, on third shot, cue ball rail safety is complied with, can opponent go back to playing object ball rail safeties without cue ball to rail?

This question relates to the following billiard rules:

14.1 Continuous Rules Question

Replies & Comments
  1. Woody from WirtzFenwick on 3/27/2008 8:07:38 PM

    I'm not a expert and I may not understand your questions correctly but I will try to answer as best I can. Please clarify deliberate fouls, frozen ball push, double hits, and within one ball of rail safeties? A ball which is touching a cushion at the start of a shot and then is forced into a cushion attached to the same rail is not considered to have been driven to that cushion unless it leaves the cushion, contacts another ball, and then contacts the cushion again. An object ball is not considered frozen to a cushion unless it is examined and announced as such by either the referee or one of the players prior to that object ball being involved in a shot. Deliberate fouls - Player 1 fouls leaving cue ball in jaws of one of corner pockets near head string. Straight pool you would be working towards the 3 foul penalty or - 15 points. Player two jabs cue ball into facing? leaving cue ball frozen against interior pocket facing. Well it sounds like a foul? This type of play - a jab- consists of maintaining cue tip on cue ball unto ball is frozen to rail. An evil play that needs a ruling. Again sounds like a foul and I can't imagine making it without a double hit. It also can be done when close to a cushion. What is your ruling? Foul maybe. What is ruling for frozen balls- push shot? Mosconi Balsis match 1966? I believe the reason his push shot was a foul was due to a double hit? It is not explained in the story. http://www.freepoollessons.com/stories/stories7.html

    http://www.billiardworld.com/frozball.html has a example of a Frozen Ball Throw Shot not to be confused with a push shot that I believe is allowed in 8 ball. Can cue ball travel same length speed as object ball? Meaning balls are frozen? Sounds like frozen cue and object ball. http://www.billiardworld.com/frozball.html Do you or can you strike cue ball full force in different direction than the lineup of the two balls? That is my understanding. Double hits? Foul. Do you ask opponent if he double hit the cue ball? I would hope you don't have to but sure; why not? Is golf etiquette employed where offender is to call foul on himself? That would be the best case scenario but even golfers cheat. I would and do call fouls on myself often. Safeties when object ball within one ball of rail? How many times can you play object ball into rail without cue ball hitting rail? I believe 2 but I could be wrong. If on third shot, cue ball rail safety is complied with, can opponent go back to playing object ball rail safeties without cue ball to rail? That is my understanding.

    There are standardized rules for 14-1.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=standardized+billiard+rules+for+14-1

    Again for the record I'm not the expert on the ever so complicated rules of billiards.

    Good Luck

  2. Woody from WirtzWoody from Wirtz on 4/9/2008 8:25:42 PM

    That actually really helped.

    I find it tough to wrap my head around some of the technicalities of some of the standardized rules. I don't want to end up looking stupid when I actually go play somewhere!

    I guess I could have done those searches myself. Anywho, thanks a bunch @Fenwick.

  3. Woody from Wirtzbilliardsforum on 4/9/2008 8:32:55 PM

    Somewhat simplified version of 14.1 Continuous Pool Rules are here.

    I'm really not sure I totally understand the question either!

  4. Woody from Wirtzdogassokie on 4/16/2008 9:08:34 AM

    it's just a foul. the opponent shoots from where ever the cue ball lies with a edge in number of fouls.

    dogassokie

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14.1 Continuous Rules Question

  • Title: 14.1 Continuous Rules Question
  • Author: (C. Hodges)
  • Published: 3/24/2008 6:14:47 PM
  • Last Updated: 3/13/2017 6:33:14 PM
  • Last Updated By: billiardsforum (Billiards Forum)